DISCUSSION: What is Pandemic Influenza

COMMENT THREAD

• Wednesday's agenda has more on response depending on severity
  

  Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 06:09 AM

  • Does "severe" mean a CFR of 2% or 60% ?
    

    Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 06:15 AM

    • Thresholds and variables
      

      Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 06:43 AM

      • not just a finger in the dike
        

        Submitted by Ellen Rice on 12/4/07 06:52 AM

        • honest reporting
          

          Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 06:56 AM

          • Lets not alarm society unnecessarily
            

            Submitted by Timaly Shepherd-Miller on 12/4/07 07:02 AM

            • Credibility
              

              Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:07 AM

              • Honesty is the best policy
                

                Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 07:14 AM

                • most people I talk with don't even know what the word pandemic is
                  

                  Submitted by Holly Reischman on 12/4/07 10:12 AM

                  • Agree with the lack of information
                    

                    Submitted by Abelardo Martinez on 12/4/07 11:13 AM

                    • Society requires Visuals & Numbers they can Comprehend
                      

                      Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/4/07 01:04 PM

                      • Providing Educational Materials in Picture
                        

                        Submitted by Greg Ewert on 12/4/07 02:16 PM

                    • American Trust That All is Well
                      

                      Submitted by Christine Kardong on 12/4/07 02:32 PM

                      • "Trusting" Americansq
                        

                        Submitted by Martha London on 12/5/07 05:32 AM

                    • What does the public know?
                      

                      Submitted by Patty Dineen on 12/4/07 04:14 PM

                  • communication about pan flu
                    

                    Submitted by Brant Goode   on 12/4/07 11:54 AM

              • acurate timely information - please
                

                Submitted by Terry Laura on 12/4/07 01:47 PM

            • we wont know... but we do... sort of
              

              Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 07:10 AM

              • Communication is the Key
                

                Submitted by Timaly Shepherd-Miller on 12/4/07 07:58 AM

              • Educating the public with all the facts is the only responsible thing to do...
                

                Submitted by Kay Lock on 12/4/07 08:30 AM

                • Educating the public
                  

                  Submitted by Tricia Kassab on 12/4/07 10:59 AM

                  • Getting the US Public's Attention
                    

                    Submitted by Christine Kardong on 12/4/07 02:39 PM

                • Reply
                  

                  Submitted by Alison Lee on 12/4/07 03:54 PM

            • Fear of "Alarming" VS Need to "Educate"
              

              Submitted by Doug Fredericks on 12/4/07 08:39 AM

              • agree
                

                Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:52 AM

            • Prepare Society
              

              Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/4/07 12:55 PM

              • Prepare Society
                

                Submitted by Jane Lenz on 12/4/07 02:07 PM

                • Some have trouble preparing
                  

                  Submitted by Sharon Hutchins on 12/4/07 03:06 PM

                  • They will also have trouble in a pandemic
                    

                    Submitted by Caroline Bridgers on 12/4/07 03:22 PM

                  • Cant prep - vs- can prep - what to do?
                    

                    Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 08:08 PM

              • People want to help
                

                Submitted by Patty Dineen on 12/4/07 04:50 PM

          • The APHA agrees
            

            Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 07:08 AM

            • fence sitting
              

              Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:13 AM

            • Severity of the Pandemic
              

              Submitted by Charles Thomas on 12/4/07 07:29 AM

              • informing people
                

                Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:32 AM

                • all hazards approach
                  

                  Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:34 AM

                  • public health and/vs. all-hazards
                    

                    Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:38 AM

                    • Not your typical disaster
                      

                      Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:41 AM

                      • Have seen this often
                        

                        Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/4/07 07:46 AM

                        • scope of pandemic flu and ethical issues
                          

                          Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:49 AM

                          • Should the supply chain be vaccinated then?
                            

                            Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/4/07 11:49 AM

                            • supply chain vax
                              

                              Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 12:00 PM

                            • Protect the grid before all else.
                              

                              Submitted by larry wright on 12/4/07 02:01 PM

                              • Bring this to "Prioritization for Critical Infrastructure" tomorrow
                                

                                Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 03:02 PM

                              • Protect the oil
                                

                                Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 04:55 PM

                      • not your typical disaster
                        

                        Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:47 AM

                        • all hazards has gotten attention
                          

                          Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:56 AM

                      • Be ready
                        

                        Submitted by Ivan Ferrer on 12/4/07 09:28 AM

                        • Regrets
                          

                          Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 09:33 AM

                • Educating people and preparedness
                  

                  Submitted by Jordy Blackey on 12/4/07 02:44 PM

                • All hazards benefits and shortcomings
                  

                  Submitted by Sharon Hutchins on 12/4/07 03:22 PM

              • Severity of the Pandemic
                

                Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 07:46 AM

            • Preparing for Pandemic
              

              Submitted by Tammy Brown on 12/4/07 08:26 AM

              • risk communication
                

                Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:33 AM

              • Too Late
                

                Submitted by Katharine Fisher on 12/4/07 08:34 AM

              • panic...the P word
                

                Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 08:35 AM

              • Preparing for Panic
                

                Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 08:36 AM

                • reactions to disaster
                  

                  Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:56 AM

                  • reactions to disaster
                    

                    Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 09:16 AM

                  • peoples' reaction to disaster
                    

                    Submitted by Jordy Blackey on 12/4/07 11:35 AM

                  • I would fear to help if it exposed me to danger
                    

                    Submitted by Caroline Bridgers on 12/4/07 11:40 AM

                    • Check out similar conversations going on now at "Pandemic Scenarios ... Ourtown"
                      

                      Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 11:53 AM

                    • The truth is brutal sometimes
                      

                      Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 12:42 PM

                    • willingness to help, adequate information
                      

                      Submitted by Cary Heath on 12/4/07 03:02 PM

                  • Help thy neighbor
                    

                    Submitted by Terry Laura on 12/4/07 02:04 PM

                  • Reaction to emergencies - panic or altruism?
                    

                    Submitted by Sharon Hutchins on 12/4/07 03:29 PM

                • Maybe raise this issue in the "What would be the story in Ourtown" Focus Point?
                  

                  Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 08:58 AM

                • Preparing for Pandemic
                  

                  Submitted by Tammy Brown on 12/4/07 09:04 AM

                  • agree
                    

                    Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 09:13 AM

                    • transmission
                      

                      Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 02:41 PM

                • Finding Space
                  

                  Submitted by Jane Lenz on 12/4/07 02:21 PM

              • Pan Flu Education for General Public
                

                Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 09:10 AM

            • Power of Persuasion = Preparation
              

              Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/4/07 02:16 PM

          • Risk communication
            

            Submitted by Joel Palmer on 12/4/07 07:13 AM

            • Fear Factor and Education
              

              Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 07:19 AM

              • Numbers and the public
                

                Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:24 AM

                • focusing on being prepared
                  

                  Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:33 AM

                  • Individuals and Families Only?
                    

                    Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 09:14 AM

                    • Clarification
                      

                      Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 09:40 AM

              • risk communication
                

                Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:29 AM

                • American Culture of Optimism Works against us
                  

                  Submitted by Caroline Bridgers on 12/4/07 07:40 AM

                  • Excellent point
                    

                    Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:43 AM

                    • Fear is not a motivator
                      

                      Submitted by Katie Denter on 12/4/07 08:32 AM

                      • Fear can be an appropriate motivator
                        

                        Submitted by Caroline Bridgers on 12/4/07 08:38 AM

                        • Maybe raise this issue in the "What would be the story .. in Ourtown" Focus Point?
                          

                          Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 08:54 AM

                        • Using fear to get attention
                          

                          Submitted by Aloha OR on 12/4/07 10:48 AM

                      • Honesty with Evidence
                        

                        Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 09:58 AM

                    • Fear can backfire
                      

                      Submitted by Sharon Hutchins on 12/4/07 03:38 PM

                      • that may be true
                        

                        Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 06:00 PM

                  • Things Definitely May Not Work Out if...
                    

                    Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 09:36 AM

                    • Perhaps raise this issue in the "Pandemic Scenarios ..." Focus Point?
                      

                      Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 10:48 AM

                • Health Literacy
                  

                  Submitted by Katharine Fisher on 12/4/07 08:18 AM

                  • reach one, teach one
                    

                    Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 08:24 AM

                    • Neighbor to Neighbor
                      

                      Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 08:29 AM

                      • Neighbor to Neighbor
                        

                        Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 08:39 AM

                        • neighbor to neighbor
                          

                          Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:57 AM

                          • Neighbor to Neighbor
                            

                            Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 09:06 AM

                            • Social isolation can be detrimental
                              

                              Submitted by Sharon Hutchins on 12/4/07 03:42 PM

                              • Outreach
                                

                                Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 06:03 PM

                          • what i fear more than the flu
                            

                            Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 09:16 AM

                    • Peer Education Works
                      

                      Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 09:40 AM

                    • Reaching parents
                      

                      Submitted by Aloha OR on 12/4/07 10:54 AM

                  • health literacy
                    

                    Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:38 AM

                    • Computer Webcast
                      

                      Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 09:41 AM

                  • Population Receiving Message
                    

                    Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 09:37 AM

                    • Those who want to know more will ask
                      

                      Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 09:51 AM

              • Public Education & The Media
                

                Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/4/07 02:29 PM

          • Notifying the Public
            

            Submitted by Charles Thomas on 12/4/07 07:22 AM

            • Maybe raise this issue in the "What would be the story in Ourtown" Focus Point?
              

              Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 08:55 AM

          • I disagree
            

            Submitted by Ellen Rice on 12/4/07 06:53 PM

        • Not everyone will prepare or can prepare
          

          Submitted by Jane Lenz on 12/4/07 10:43 AM

          • Preparedness
            

            Submitted by Jacob Mbafor on 12/4/07 12:59 PM

        • Not everyone will prepare or can prepare
          

          Submitted by Jane Lenz on 12/4/07 10:46 AM

          • Perhaps raise this issue in "Pandemic Scenarios ... Ourtown"?
            

            Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 10:52 AM

      • Increase above 2% or we may fail
        

        Submitted by Timaly Shepherd-Miller on 12/4/07 06:55 AM

        • the public not understanding the severity
          

          Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 06:59 AM

    • I Agree
      

      Submitted by Timaly Shepherd-Miller on 12/4/07 06:50 AM

      • Education on Pandemic Influenza
        

        Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 07:16 AM

        • Novel viruses know no culture
          

          Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:28 AM

          • spread of an epidemic
            

            Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:35 AM

            • Culture clarity
              

              Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:52 AM

              • Culture clarity
                

                Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 07:58 AM

                • Culture and risk of infection/outcome
                  

                  Submitted by Sharon Hutchins on 12/4/07 03:54 PM

              • culture/geography and pandemic
                

                Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:00 AM

                • culture/geography and pandemic
                  

                  Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 08:03 AM

          • Culture
            

            Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 07:40 AM

            • global planning and response for pandemics
              

              Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:52 AM

            • many voices
              

              Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:59 AM

          • Notification of human-human sustained transmission
            

            Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 09:44 AM

            • It will be clear
              

              Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 09:53 AM

    • from what I have researched..
      

      Submitted by Holly Reischman on 12/4/07 10:15 AM

    • How severe is severe
      

      Submitted by Terry Laura on 12/4/07 01:41 PM

    • Acronyms
      

      Submitted by Christine Kardong on 12/4/07 02:24 PM

      • CFR = Case Fatality Rate
        

        Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 03:55 PM

  • Pandemic Flu
    

    Submitted by Timaly Shepherd-Miller on 12/4/07 06:45 AM

• AR or CFR more important?
  

  Submitted by Joel Palmer on 12/4/07 06:40 AM

  • The Vulnerable Age Group is Important Too.
    

    Submitted by Geraldine Cox on 12/4/07 07:13 AM

    • 1918 fatalities
      

      Submitted by Joel Palmer on 12/4/07 07:18 AM

      • vulnerable population in H5N1 (avian flu)
        

        Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:25 AM

    • the w effect
      

      Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:32 AM

      • request for clarification
        

        Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:36 AM

      • Please attach large files as separate document
        

        Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 08:04 AM

        • thanks for the tip
          

          Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 08:12 AM

        • thanks for the tip
          

          Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 08:13 AM

        • AI Data
          

          Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 09:51 AM

      • H5N1 cases & deaths by age group
        

        Submitted by Aloha OR on 12/4/07 11:01 AM

    • Age-related differences in risk from H5N1
      

      Submitted by Sharon Hutchins on 12/4/07 04:04 PM

  • They are both important
    

    Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/4/07 07:19 AM

    • 6 months for vaccines
      

      Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 07:37 AM

      • vaccine availability
        

        Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:41 AM

        • Vax Production People Priority?
          

          Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 07:46 AM

          • vaccine production and distribution
            

            Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:55 AM

            • Much planning is going on to try to strengthen the links of this chain.
              

              Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 08:12 AM

              • Discussion of prioritization of Critical Infrastructure and Health Care tomorrow
                

                Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 08:20 AM

                • dont worry... we will.
                  

                  Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 08:23 AM

                • I care about Critical Infrastructure!
                  

                  Submitted by Caroline Bridgers on 12/4/07 08:44 AM

                  • critical infrastructure
                    

                    Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:59 AM

          • Vax Production People Priority?
            

            Submitted by Eleanor Peters   on 12/4/07 08:12 AM

          • Vaccine Preparation Time
            

            Submitted by Charles Thomas on 12/4/07 10:53 AM

            • This is also being discussed at the Focus Point "How is Vaccine Used ...". Try raising this issue t
              

              Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 11:02 AM

        • What about our stockpile
          

          Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/4/07 07:49 AM

          • vaccine or VACCINE
            

            Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 08:05 AM

            • numbers of doses of vaccine
              

              Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:09 AM

              • RE 6 million stockpiled doses
                

                Submitted by Jordy Blackey on 12/4/07 08:17 AM

                • 2 "jabs"
                  

                  Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 08:24 AM

                • 2 shots
                  

                  Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:44 AM

                  • 1st jab = infection
                    

                    Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 08:55 AM

                    • goal: keeping the sick away from the well
                      

                      Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 09:02 AM

                      • screening people?
                        

                        Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 09:23 AM

                        • Reduce Spread By Healthcare Workers
                          

                          Submitted by Heather Jensen on 12/4/07 10:25 AM

                        • Preventing spread among those that present for vaccine
                          

                          Submitted by Suzette Brotton on 12/4/07 11:42 AM

                          • isolation at vax clinics
                            

                            Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 12:02 PM

                    • Drive thru vax
                      

                      Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 09:57 AM

            • Amazing Numbers
              

              Submitted by Timaly Shepherd-Miller on 12/4/07 08:11 AM

              • who gets vaccinated?
                

                Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:18 AM

                • Pre-Pandemic vs Pandemic Vax
                  

                  Submitted by Deborah Robinson on 12/4/07 04:01 PM

              • Prioritizations
                

                Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 09:59 AM

          • When will the current stockpiled vaccine be used?
            

            Submitted by Sharon Hutchins on 12/4/07 04:10 PM

            • Consider raising this question in the "How is Vaccine used ..." Focus Point
              

              Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 04:17 PM

        • What to do while we wait for the vax?
          

          Submitted by Katharine Fisher on 12/4/07 09:05 AM

          • Delivering education messages.
            

            Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 10:04 AM

          • Local BOHs
            

            Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 10:08 AM

            • Please specify the meanings of Acronyms: BOHs
              

              Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 04:19 PM

              • You are so right
                

                Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 05:57 PM

          • Mandates for preparing for NPI
            

            Submitted by Sharon Hutchins on 12/4/07 04:13 PM

        • Pan Flu Vaccine
          

          Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 09:54 AM

          • Who gets it 1st? Prioritization discussion tomorrow
            

            Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 10:16 AM

    • PSI
      

      Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:39 AM

      • PSI = Pandemic Severity Index
        

        Submitted by Caroline Bridgers on 12/4/07 08:12 AM

        • PSI
          

          Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:19 AM

    • Would we start vaccinating when WHO goes to phase 4 or 5?
      

      Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 08:10 AM

      • Perhaps take this discussion to the "How is Vaccine Used ..." Focus Point?
        

        Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 08:14 AM

      • when vaccination would start
        

        Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:24 AM

        • NPIs
          

          Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 08:28 AM

          • NPI=non-pharmaceutical interventions
            

            Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:46 AM

            • NPI=non-pharmaceutical interventions- Social Distancing
              

              Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 08:57 AM

              • social distancing
                

                Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 09:06 AM

                • Social Distancing
                  

                  Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 09:11 AM

                • Church Services
                  

                  Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/4/07 09:25 AM

                  • Church Services and other Spiritual Services
                    

                    Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 09:36 AM

                  • Perhaps bring this to discussion of Prioritization tomorrow
                    

                    Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 09:40 AM

                • School Closures - NPI
                  

                  Submitted by Jane Lenz on 12/4/07 10:53 AM

                  • School Closures - NPI
                    

                    Submitted by Glenda Ford-Lee on 12/4/07 11:08 AM

              • Caring for children at home from school
                

                Submitted by Sharon Hutchins on 12/4/07 03:03 PM

              • Churches, etc. and Social Distancing
                

                Submitted by Patty Dineen on 12/4/07 05:10 PM

            • No Public Gatherings
              

              Submitted by Mona Wenger on 12/4/07 10:07 AM

    • They are both important
      

      Submitted by Eleanor Peters   on 12/4/07 08:22 AM

• case fatality rate & severe pandemic
  

  Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:13 AM

  • seroprevalence studies have been done
    

    Submitted by Caroline Bridgers on 12/4/07 07:30 AM

    • seroprevalence studies
      

      Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:45 AM

• case fatality rate & severe pandemic
  

  Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 07:13 AM

  • past testing results show little experience w/ H5n1
    

    Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/4/07 07:33 AM

    • you are correct Roy - no evidence of mild H5N1
      

      Submitted by Caroline Bridgers on 12/4/07 07:42 AM

      • seroprevalence
        

        Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:03 AM

        • evidence is mounting that mild cases of H5N1 do not exist
          

          Submitted by Caroline Bridgers on 12/4/07 12:40 PM

      • seroprevalence
        

        Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:05 AM

        • We don't know for sure how severe the next pandemic will be!
          

          Submitted by Caroline Bridgers on 12/4/07 08:25 AM

          • seroprevalence of H5N1
            

            Submitted by Martha Salyers   on 12/4/07 08:49 AM

• cfr is not as important as CAR
  

  Submitted by larry wright on 12/4/07 01:57 PM

  • CFR and CFR will both be important
    

    Submitted by Caroline Bridgers on 12/4/07 02:28 PM

  • Please clarify acronyms! CAR?
    

    Submitted by Nicholas Dewar   on 12/4/07 04:28 PM