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COMMENT: Worker Absenteeism is the most important planning issue

Submitted by Justin Kamen on 12/5/07 10:52 AM

Terry,

Everything I have read predicts 30-60% woker outages.

To say 40% is the short-lasting peak is the same as saying we should only prepare for a 2% CFR. While I realize we are not here to bicker about figures, I feel this needs to be addressed. If the grid goes down due to worker outages, nothing else will matter.

Preparing for worker absenteeism is perhaps the most important aspect of pandemic planning. We should not shy away from this fact.

- Justin

[Justin: I edited your title to draw more respondents. Donna/Monitor]

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We may lose power, water, etc by our supply chains breaking

Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/5/07 06:41 AM

Local planning

Submitted by Joel Palmer on 12/5/07 06:49 AM
- Water Purification
  
  Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/5/07 02:13 PM
Supply chain

Submitted by Terry Adirim on 12/5/07 07:05 AM
- Supply chain and "just in time" inventory
  
  Submitted by Stuart Capper on 12/5/07 07:36 AM
  - That's right...
    
    Submitted by Terry Adirim on 12/5/07 07:39 AM
    - Pharmacies and supplies
      
      Submitted by Philip Eisner on 12/5/07 01:12 PM
      - Pharmacists priorities in Pan Flu Lacking
        
        Submitted by Charles Thomas on 12/5/07 01:33 PM
        
        I would reverse it... severe later / milder earlier
        
        Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 04:22 PM
        
        Patients will still be seeking symptomatic relief
        
        Submitted by Mitchel Rothholz on 12/5/07 07:44 PM
        
        Topic IS severe pandemic
        
        Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/6/07 05:08 AM
  - Perscription Limitations need to be revised
    
    Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/5/07 02:24 PM
    - Patient medication needs could change
      
      Submitted by Mitchel Rothholz on 12/5/07 07:51 PM
  - Tamiflu and Relenza
    
    Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/5/07 03:12 PM
- Many supermarkets, other places to get food - Redundancy?
  
  Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 07:39 AM
  - Food chain
    
    Submitted by Terry Adirim on 12/5/07 07:46 AM
    - Masks will run out long before a vaccine is available
      
      Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 08:15 AM
      - Where are you getting your data?
        
        Submitted by Terry Adirim on 12/5/07 08:38 AM
        
        Capacity more than supply for tamiflu
        
        Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/5/07 10:12 AM
        
        Lessons from History - Polio and Questions for anyone who can answer them
        
        Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/5/07 03:38 PM
        
        Find the questions that relate to the Guidance Prioritization!
        
        Submitted by Nicholas Dewar on 12/5/07 03:49 PM
        
        Tami production increased?
        
        Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 11:56 AM
        
        Thats correct
        
        Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/5/07 12:15 PM
        
        Its correct that they've decreased production.
        
        Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 12:21 PM
        
        How can we find out which towns/cities bought it
        
        Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/5/07 03:43 PM
        
        Tried with my town
        
        Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 04:25 PM
        
        City and town security
        
        Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/6/07 05:01 AM
        
        Towns were told they are not allowed to buy antivirals
        
        Submitted by Katharine Fisher on 12/6/07 06:20 AM
        
        Antiviral and PPE data?
        
        Submitted by Katharine Fisher on 12/6/07 06:12 AM
    - Recategorize Haz-Mat Transporters as Water Treatment Personnel
      
      Submitted by Rebecca Smith on 12/5/07 12:58 PM
    - Truckers vital to infrastructure
      
      Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/5/07 03:19 PM
      - Extra Burden on Cities and Towns
        
        Submitted by Catherine Jackie Mitchell on 12/6/07 05:05 AM
Critical Infrastructure

Submitted by larry wright on 12/5/07 08:06 AM
- Emergency Support of Critical Infrastructure Group
  
  Submitted by Ed Brown on 12/5/07 08:26 AM
  - Interesting comment....
    
    Submitted by Terry Adirim on 12/5/07 08:42 AM
    - Worker Absenteeism is the most important planning issue
      
      Submitted by Justin Kamen on 12/5/07 10:52 AM
    - people won't be sick for a few days,
      
      Submitted by larry wright on 12/5/07 01:25 PM
      - Training and Funding Question
        
        Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/5/07 03:50 PM
    - 30% of power industry out = no power
      
      Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 04:28 PM
- Very good point...is the guidence clear for them though?
  
  Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/5/07 12:22 PM
  - SIP for utility companies
    
    Submitted by larry wright on 12/5/07 01:19 PM
  - Families are key
    
    Submitted by Ellen Rice on 12/5/07 02:10 PM
- Bump Electrical Utilities to Tier 1
  
  Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/5/07 12:24 PM
  - electrical linesmen take months to train,
    
    Submitted by larry wright on 12/5/07 01:21 PM
    - Move em up
      
      Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 02:08 PM
      - Age as a Factor?
        
        Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/5/07 03:59 PM
        
        My son would not get vaxed
        
        Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 04:33 PM
    - Electrical Power workers
      
      Submitted by Dennis King MD on 12/5/07 03:02 PM
      - Can they be safely shut dowm?
        
        Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/5/07 04:01 PM
  - THE GRID MUST STAY UP
    
    Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 04:40 PM
- Electric power
  
  Submitted by Philip Eisner on 12/5/07 01:44 PM
  - Where are they going to get their diesel
    
    Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/5/07 01:48 PM
    - Diesel electric generators
      
      Submitted by Philip Eisner on 12/5/07 02:03 PM
      - You need fuel for that
        
        Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 02:06 PM
    - Bump hospitals up?
      
      Submitted by larry wright on 12/5/07 02:15 PM
      - Grid is critical
        
        Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/5/07 02:25 PM
      - THE GRID MUST STAY UP
        
        Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 04:39 PM
        
        Yes, the grid must stay up
        
        Submitted by MoMos Mom on 12/5/07 04:47 PM
  - I wish gensets could solve the problem, but...
    
    Submitted by larry wright on 12/5/07 01:58 PM
    - Diesel generators
      
      Submitted by Philip Eisner on 12/5/07 02:21 PM
      - Very good point...
        
        Submitted by Nick Kelley on 12/5/07 02:27 PM
        
        Electrical workers are #1 in line
        
        Submitted by larry wright on 12/5/07 02:39 PM
      - the present fragility of the power grid
        
        Submitted by larry wright on 12/5/07 02:38 PM
    - Qty of stored fuel,.
      
      Submitted by Diana Tolladay on 12/5/07 04:05 PM
      - fuel usage-
        
        Submitted by larry wright on 12/6/07 12:15 PM
- THE GRID MUST STAY UP
  
  Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 04:41 PM
- THE GRID MUST STAY UP
  
  Submitted by Roy Kamen on 12/5/07 04:42 PM
- Prioritize Essentail Workers
  
  Submitted by Jay Schmid on 12/6/07 06:46 AM